rich said is contradicted by the director of national intelligence, general clapper, who was first appointed to the pentagon by the bush administration. he came out and he said, i gave them this information, and it was wrong. when we found out, i changed the narrative, and more important, obama's going after the people working with the libyan government. we already have a couple of the people who participated in this. so the idea there was a cover-up is nonsense. you know, fine. i remember from my days in the military and the days in the pentagon, you have to be careful. the first reports are always -- could be misleading. >> larry, my friend, that's not credible. >> no, no. clapper is the one. he's a nonpolitical guy. are you saying clapper is lying, rich? no. >> i'm saying if there was evidence there, you know it and i know it, the american people know it because it's come out. it's not come out -- >> it has come out now. it has come out. >> the administration stonewalling.